Booked, Blonde & Busy

Olivia Ponton's friends say lying about reading books to men is a survival skill

Jun 29, 2026 · 38:13

Summary

In a friends takeover episode, the host's inner circle reveals their reading confessions, from bathroom ChatGPT cram sessions to never finishing books everyone swears changed their life.

Ponton opens the episode with a confession that sets the tone: she regularly looks up book summaries on ChatGPT in club bathrooms to hold her own against men who assume they know more. The admission comes during a guilty-or-not-guilty game with her friend group, all of whom raise their hands when asked if they have lied about reading a book.

The specifics matter. Ponton describes a recent scenario where a man at a club was discussing a book she had not read. She excused herself, pulled up a summary on her phone, and returned to the conversation armed with just enough detail to pass. She calls it her best trait, inherited from her father: the ability to bullshit convincingly with only three sentences of material barely visible beneath the table.

"I have a really hard time with men specifically making them think that they know more information than me. So, yes, in multiple scenarios with men telling me they've read a book, I have looked up on ChatGPT the book summary and pretended that I read the book in the bathroom real quick in the club." Olivia Ponton

The group does not judge. They relate. Alexa admits to lying about where she is in a book when reading alongside Hannah. Hannah confesses she has not finished most books she starts. The only holdout is Jojo, who insists she is open about how little she reads. The rest treat faking book knowledge as a social survival skill, not a moral failing.

Phoenix thinks BookTok killed her ability to read

When Ponton asks if BookTok is dead, Phoenix, who does not watch book content at all, offers the most interesting answer. She says BookTok overwhelms her with other people's opinions to the point where she cannot have her own experience with a book. She describes ordering titles that dominated the algorithm, starting to read them, and feeling so consumed by circulating takes that she lost the ability to form a singular reaction.

"For me hearing so many people have their opinions around books and certain books that were like circling that internet space, I felt like, oh, I must have this same reaction or the same experience. And ultimately, I would like order the book, start reading it, and then I would be so consumed with all of the opinions I had circulating that I wouldn't be able to actually have a singular experience reading the book." Phoenix

Alexa echoes this with A Court of Thorns and Roses. She spent the entire book thinking she should love it because everyone told her she would. She did not. Phoenix also cites A Little Life as the book that nearly ended her reading habit entirely. She got halfway through, encountered relentless tragedy with no silver lining, and threw it outside. She eventually finished it years later, but only because stepping away allowed her to return without the weight of expectations.

The group agrees that hype creates a specific kind of pressure. When everyone swears a book will change your life, failing to connect with it feels like a personal deficiency rather than a mismatch of taste. Phoenix argues the problem is not BookTok itself but the way it turns reading into performance. You are supposed to feel a certain way, post a certain reaction, and join a certain conversation. If you do not, maybe reading is not for you. Except reading was for you before the algorithm told you how to do it.

The Off Campus adaptation debate that went nowhere

The group spends significant time on the Off Campus screen adaptation, which most of them watched together. Hannah and Alexa binged it in a few nights. They describe it as exaggerated reality, almost satirical, the kind of thing you throw on for comfort even though you know it is not good. The chemistry between the main couple did not land the way it did in the book. A side character who barely appeared in the source material dominated half the episodes, presumably to set up future spin-offs.

The conversation gets more interesting when they discuss a scene where the main character has a panic attack and her mother comforts her. Phoenix, who otherwise found the show forgettable, calls the moment touching. She argues it presented acceptance in a way that felt accessible rather than intense, which matters for younger viewers who might avoid heavier films. The depiction of PTSD, the inability to form sentences, the way a small trigger spirals into a full breakdown, all felt accurate without being exploitative.

Then they pivot to a bracket-style elimination game to determine the best book adaptation of all time. The list: Twilight, Harry Potter, Divergent, Off Campus, The Housemaid, People We Meet on Vacation, and The Hunger Games. People We Meet on Vacation gets deleted first because no one watched it. The Housemaid goes next because it felt too dark. Off Campus cannot compete with the heavy hitters. Twilight stays in longer than it should due to nostalgia, but the group admits it is cringey and poorly made, the kind of thing that only works if you loved it at the right age.

The final showdown is Harry Potter versus The Hunger Games. Ponton argues for Harry Potter as the foundation of imagination for an entire generation. The rest vote for The Hunger Games. Alexa says Hunger Games took what Harry Potter built and beat it. Ponton is outnumbered. The Hunger Games wins.

Coming out advice that does not sugarcoat

In the final segment, timed to Pride Month, the group discusses queer literature and coming out. Alexa and Hannah both recommend Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo, which they read during the honeymoon phase of their relationship. Alexa made a playlist for it. She describes the experience as turning the book into a movie in her head, every song reinforcing the vividness of the story. She still cannot listen to those tracks without thinking of the book and that moment in their relationship.

When asked for advice for people considering coming out, Alexa is blunt: experiment, do not force a label, and try something twice before deciding it is not for you. She admits she had a bad experience with a girl the first time and thought she might be asexual. The second attempt clarified things. She also warns that if someone does not feel safe coming out in their current situation, they should wait until they have moved out and established independence. Tell a friend you trust, but do not put yourself in danger for the sake of honesty.

"That's your biggest fear when you're coming out is like your straight friends thinking you have a crush on them." Alexa

Alexa recounts her own coming out, which involved a close friend flying in to visit and immediately asking if Alexa thought she was hot "in a gay way" after learning about the girlfriend. The question infuriated her. She told her mom over the phone in a single sentence, listed 30 facts about her girlfriend, and hung up. She never formally came out to her dad. She just sent him a shirt that said "my daughter's gay" and let him figure it out. Her hometown friends in Florida were not supportive. She lost most of them. One group chat responded to her announcement by asking what the fuck she was talking about.

The group does not end on a tidy moral. They do not restate the lessons or wrap it in a bow. They just move on, the way you do when you have said what needed saying and the next topic is waiting.

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I lie about [music] reading books all the time, >> right? Which is how we got to the podcast. >> No, books

I have read a lot of books

I have a really hard time with men specifically making [music] them think that they know more information than so

Yes, in multiple scenarios with men telling me they've read a book

I have looked up on Chad BT the book summary and pretended that I read the book in the bathroom real quick in the club >> like [music] okay [laughter] [gasps] hi guys welcome back to another episode of booked fun and [laughter] busy

So obviously last episode was Sex in the City with Miss Kenneth Bush Chanel

So, I wanted to kind of bring on my version of Sex in the City

This is my little friend group, and we all kind of embody a different character of Sex in the City

So, we're going to do a little game where we're all going to introduce each other

So, I'm going to introduce Miss Jojo Chuck, >> right? [laughter] >> Is that how we pronounce it? No. >> So, Miss Jojo is actually the best chef out of the group, I would say

Definitely cooks us all our food

I'm going to do a wild card

All right

I'm going to say you're the funniest out of all of us. >> I kind of agree. >> I agree, too. >> Sorry. >> I'm figuring it out. >> Okay, your turn, Jojo. >> Hi, I'm Jojo. >> Introduce Alaska. >> And I'm going to introduce Alexa. >> Alexa. >> Alaska

She also [laughter] goes by Alexa. >> Alexa. >> I have this thing where I always pronounce Alaska because when I first started following her on Tik Tok, I referred to as Alaska. >> I get it

I get it

But you know what? Alexa

All right. >> Alaska is like your alter ego. >> Uh, >> yeah

Alaska. >> Like the worst alter ego. >> Lexi is her alter ego

Lexi. [laughter] >> Okay

Anyways, >> okay

Well, this is Alaska

She goes by Alexa too. >> Um, she loves playing tennis, posting Tik Tok videos, you know, the whole thing

That's >> the whole shebang

Guys, I'm Alexa

This is Phoenix

She's [snorts] the funnest out of the group

Maybe she likes to remind you that she's the funnest

We don't know about that, but >> don't worry

You're the funnest

You're the funnest

I was [laughter] just joking

What if I'm being famed and we're like a minute in? [gasps] >> Anyway, this is Phoenix. >> So, she got >> Hi, [laughter] a legend. >> I'm a sexy ginger, guys

She's also a sexy ginger. >> Uh, okay

I'm Phoenix

Um, and I'm going to be introducing Hannah, who is our supermodel hilarious so funny, loves her memes, and loves Instagram reels

And yeah, >> stickers. >> You'll know that you're [laughter] her friend if she's made a sticker out of you or if she sends you like ridiculous animal videos on Tik Tok or Instagram

So, >> I haven't received it in an animal. [laughter] >> Oh my god

Are you guys >> It's coming. >> So awkward

Um, this is Hannah. >> Okay

I'm Hannah and this is Olivia

Sports Illustrated

Uh, Victoria's Secret inspirational model sport woman. >> [laughter] >> We were really smart. >> By the way, we were here and we like slowly [laughter] >> smart woman. >> But back to what I was saying

This is Olivia

Um, she's fabulous and very talented and very smart and loves to read and that's why we're here today. >> That's why we're here, ladies and gentlemen. [laughter] Okay, we play guilty or not guilty

So if you're guilty, >> I like that's something we do. >> Do we raise hands? >> Yeah

Say guilty

And then if you're not, just put your hand down. >> All right, cool. >> Have you ever left a club to go home to read? >> Baby, no. [laughter] >> Oh my god. >> I know

Hannah, >> can I tell you guys a secret? Remember when we all went out to go to dinner and I was wearing those two pieces with the orange? I left to go read. >> Yeah, I think you stored it

I was like, that makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. me and my Kindle. [laughter] >> So, the next one

Have you ever lied about reading a book? >> Guilty. >> Guilty. >> Raise your hand with me. >> I don't think I've ever lied about reading a book

I'm very open about how [laughter] >> Me and Hannah try to read the same book at the same time and she's like, "What? What page ring?" Same page as you. [laughter] >> She's started

I haven't started

I lie about reading books all the time, >> right? Which is how we got to the podcast. >> Books

I have read a lot of books

I have a really hard time with men specifically making them think that they know more information than me

So, yes, in multiple scenarios with men telling me they've read a book

I have looked up on chat me the book summary and pretended that I've read the book in the bathroom real quick at the club. >> Like literally just like they'll be in this happened to me actually recently

Some guy was having a conversation with a friend of mine talking about a book that I hadn't read. >> So, I knew he was gonna come to me next

So, I just looked up the summary and I'm a master buller

Like, it is I get it from my father

It is my best trait

I can make up like >> maybe [laughter] that too. >> I think honestly it's an incredible trait and it's gotten me a lot of really good places

But I was able to have this whole conversation about this book that I had like maybe three sentences on that I could barely see from like beneath the table and he would never know that I had read it. >> Have you ever read a spicy chapter for >> Wait, I have read a book. >> What book? >> Uh the one I read recently two years ago [laughter] was just ever >> um the one they made the movie about the Colleen Hoover one. >> You mean it ends with us? >> Yeah. >> Or ugly love? >> I've read both

Well, half of Ugly Love. [laughter] A couple pages of ugly love in the background. >> What did you think about ends with us? >> Well, it ends with us

I did have my friend read all of it to me. >> I read book to you

The book that Hannah recommended to me about the dark

What was it? Not Harry Potter. >> She felt so bad about doing that, by the way

Like she would be like, I can't believe I haven't even read that book

I can't believe I recommended. >> I need to explain it

So, basically, we all went to McN Jackson one day and we were like, let's go get our books

Like, I don't even know why why we were there

So Hannah gets you this book and it's called The Lost King

And she >> I didn't get you. [laughter] >> You were like, "Oh my god, I've seen so many good things about this

Like you have to read it." Like gave it to me and I was like, "Okay." Like I'm done

Like the cover was kind of scary looking

So I was like, "Sure, why not?" And we go to Jojo's house

Yes. >> Guys, she read this book in while I cooked her dinner

The whole entire book. >> Yeah

So I read the book. >> Do you like Okay

Like it was inside, >> you know, you have the voice inside of your head

Yeah. >> Do you go like or do you go like you know like >> like when I'm reading I have I have dyslexia so I have to like actually read >> right >> like it takes me quite long to read it. >> But you read that out loud to me. >> But I did read it out loud to her and I was like I didn't know the premise of the book at all

I was like sure

And so I get home and I'm reading it to Jojo and I'm like >> is this Peter Pan? [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Is this Wendy? Is this Captain Hook? I was like what the but it was like a dark version of it

Like I would have based off the same characters. >> Yeah, it was like Captain Hook, Peter Pan Wendy. >> Wait, what's the book called? >> The Lost King

Actually, >> maybe we should all read it, right? >> It was like 150 pages

I read it in like two days a day, maybe

Yeah, >> you read half of it on the sofa. >> Yeah, like it was >> It got you out of your slump, though. >> It did, >> right? So, a win is a win. >> A win is a win. >> Okay, the next one is, have you ever um do not finished a book that everyone swore changed their life? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Patty Smith, whatever

Breaking Sorry, the talking stick

Patty Smith's Breaking Habit something something. >> I don't know what that is. >> The Yes, you do

The Patty Smith book. >> The kids

Just kids. >> Yeah, just kids by Patty Smith

I don't read Just Kids

I thought you were talking. >> She said Patty Smith something

I think she It was a hard read

I think hard. >> Really hard read, but apparently gets better

I literally got through like 60% of the book and I just was I I was like, I can't do it. >> What book have you read that you didn't finish? Um, well, I went back to it, but like after years, but A Little Life >> actually made me want to like, >> I'm not even kidding, like throw the book outside

I was like, why would anybody [laughter] want to read this? It was subjecting myself to torture and I just felt like, why is one bad thing, Have you read it? >> But I've heard, by the way, don't similar

Don't just don't

It's exhausting

It's honestly an exhausting read

And I got like halfway through and already so many disastrous things had happened and I was like, "This can't get worse." [snorts] And then you keep reading and it just gets worse

And I just was like, "This is the longest book ever >> for there to be no silver lining whatsoever." >> Yeah. >> And I eventually did go back to it because I I needed a book and it was the only book in the vicinity >> and I finished it and I think honestly stepping away from it, I was able to then go back into it with a less like dismal >> Yeah

I want to go into a topic of conversation that I feel like you Phoenix will really understand

I want to talk about do you think book talk is dead? Because for the viewers to understand Phoenix does not watch book talk

You >> what is book talk? >> It's like the side of Tik Tok that like all it's all books. >> Is it your free page? >> Yeah

Like my whole free page is like girls talking about >> boring. >> It's like all talking about it's like hot girls that read

Like they're all beautiful girls

I'm like okay I'm on the right side of Tik Tok. >> Hannah, you should join Tik Tok. >> I am

She is on book talk. >> Oh, really? >> Yes. >> Oh, she's just flirting with her cuz you said hog girl. [snorts] >> Who's a phoenix? So, do you think book talk is dead? >> I don't think book talk is dead, but as somebody who gets very overwhelmed by other people's opinions around their experience with books, book talk for me is like really discouraging honestly

Like I remember in co when book talk like really started emerging around Colleen Hoover and a lot of those >> books

I can't with you guys. >> I'm like trying to have it. >> I know

No, it's really rude

It's rude. >> What? [laughter] >> You guys are going to be separated soon. >> Pull it together. >> Anyway, [laughter] I think that for me hearing so many people have their opinions around books and certain books that were like circling that internet space

I felt like, oh, I must have this same reaction or the same experience

And ultimately, I would like order the book, start reading it, and then I would be so consumed with all of the opinions I had circulating >> that I wouldn't be able to actually have a singular experience reading the book. >> I feel like that's how I feel with Acatar

It's like everyone told me I was going to love it so much because I love like fourth ring and romantic, but then it's like the whole book I was just thinking like I should love this, I should love this, I should love this, and like I didn't love it that much. >> I I agree

Like I read Acatar and I I like the storyline, but there were so many times, >> no hate to the author, by the way

You still you still ate that

You know what I mean? But there were still so many times where I was reading it and I was so confused and I had to reread it like six times

And even after the sixth time, I still >> couldn't really paint the picture >> as well as I wanted to. >> But then it's like the whole book is world building

So I'm like, how can I not see a crystal clear picture? >> Oh yeah

Yeah, >> by the way, got 60% through the second book and like it's still I still like out of comfort go back and read it, >> but like I just wish it was a little bit more descriptive and like easier to like digest. >> I agree. >> I also feel like when you're seeing all these people like read these books online and then you start to read them and you don't like it, it's almost like, okay, then I shouldn't read because all these people love to read and they're loving these books and I don't feel this same connection with it

So maybe reading is just not for me

But I think you might not like the books that you like

Like I know you're really into fantasy

Like that's not necessarily like the thing that >> makes me want to pick up a book

Like I find a lot of >> fascination and like I don't know things that I can relate more to my own personal life like >> in that sense. >> Have you [clears throat] read Finding 13? >> No

Yeah. >> Never

The last two books that I read which were amazing if anybody who watches this has read have read them was Demon Copperhead

Have you heard of that? >> Literally it today and I was like >> fantastic

That book I think is pivotal for any person just like in any sort of line of life

Like I think there's a lesson for everybody but I think any young male should read that book

I think there's so many lessons that if I was a man I feel like I would be able to even have a greater experience with

And then um the martyr, I don't know if it's actually martyr or the martyr, but that was >> Martyr >> phenomenal

Like the way that that book is written and the plot twist at the end

I won't spoil anything, but like I had the greatest experience reading that book, but those were the two books that really got me back into a flow of reading. >> What's like your favorite like trope? Like do you love like a plot twist? Do you love like an unexpected character coming in? like a love triangle

Like what do you guys like? >> I love a plot twist

I think I find I gravitate >> Yeah

I love a plot twist at the end because I feel like it just makes you feel like it was all worth it in a sense. >> But I also I gravitate more to like how the book is written and this the sense of speech that the author writes in

Like I love to read things >> in the same frequency that I think

Like I in my mind it's like a constant stream of stream of um thoughts that don't really have like a specific ending

So I love runon sentences like I love somebody who has a sentence that lasts half the page like thank you cuz for me that allows me to >> create the image in my mind almost as if I was watching TV where like if somebody has shorter more >> dialogue in their writing I don't love it as much. like >> Colleen Hoover and who's the author who wrote um >> People You Meet on Vacation? >> Uh Emily Henry. >> Emily Henry

Yeah

Has a lot of dialogue and for me that's kind of harder to get into because I can't imagine that speech as I could somebody's like >> inner thoughts. >> Yeah

Inner thoughts and framing. >> I read this one book Next to Heaven by James Frey and it was from like 12 different people's perspective and each paragraph was written from a different character's perspective

So, it would say like their name and then like a paragraph about them and then it went through and explained everyone's love dynamic and who was dating who

And basically, it's kind of crazy

They decided to have a swingers party and then at the swingers party somebody >> swingers party >> like when you're in a bunch of couples and you're all married and you come together and then you all switch around. >> Wa >> crazy

And it was all like about like 40-year-olds

It was like really >> Jojo's seeing her future

She's like, "Okay [laughter] >> she's into it." Um, but yeah, that was like a crazy reading experience and it honestly didn't feel like I was reading a book

It felt like I was watching a movie. >> Was it like a script almost? >> Like Yeah, but there was like zero dialogue. >> Interesting. >> Like very very very small amounts. >> And that was the first time that I'd ever done like a multi- characters perspective and that was really interesting

What? >> Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo

Wasn't that multi- character? >> Was it? But isn't that like different chapters? No, it goes from the perspective of Evelyn Hugo and then of the perspective to the other character. >> Yeah

No, like that's normal

Like both characters I feel like is normal

Like that's how like I like >> Yeah, I really like books that are like that

It keeps me interested especially with someone that has ADHD like I need >> for something to be happening all the time. >> And I think like changing perspectives like that's a great book. >> I agree

But this was [snorts] >> I feel like that was the first book I didn't know it was written like that until I started reading it and I was like whoa. >> What was the book that got you into books? Like what got you into reading? >> Crave by Tracy Wolf about vampires. >> Okay

Love >> wolf. >> I feel like everyone had that >> that like >> kind of fantasyes book that like got Percy Jackson was mine. >> I was obsessed with that. >> They were all German books >> like that series that you were seeing with the princess the selection

I read it in German

I thought it was a German author

No. >> I don't know if she's a German author or not. >> I like read the whole That was a great story to like get into

I was like, "Wow, this is interesting." I was like forced to like read books in my childhood in elementary school, >> but it made me in turn love reading. >> I feel like when you're a kid, you want to be immersed into like another world, and that's why those books feel so riveting because you're like >> your imagination can actually go that far, you know? >> I agree

Yeah

We're going to talk about our favorite like book adaptation, hungry diver, etc

So, I'm going to read a list of names and then we're going to almost do like a bracket where we're going to like slowly weed off one book at a time and then we're going to pick out like our f our favorite one

He takes the throne. >> We have Twilight, Harry Potter, Divergent, Off-Campus, The Housemaid, People We Met on Vacation, and The Hunger Games on >> Are weing them out as a as a collection? like the book and the adaptation. >> Okay. >> I feel like off rip I want to delete people we met on vacation. >> I've never watched that. >> You've never watched it? >> No. >> Okay

Then we definitely delete. >> I would agree. >> So >> Mhm. >> How did you guys feel about The Housemaid? >> I've never seen that. >> I haven't watched that honestly. >> I've seen Bits and Pieces and I just like don't really think it's my vibe. >> Like it's a little too dark. >> I just don't like that >> the story line

Yeah

It wasn't really for me

I didn't like it at all and I read and watched. >> Okay, so delete it

I loved it. [snorts] >> Weird. >> Um, what did you guys think about Off Campus? >> I personally loved it

It was great. >> Yeah, me and Hannah literally finished it yesterday. >> We watched it together. >> What' you think? >> It felt like reality TV

It was like very >> like exaggerated reality in a way that like didn't really feel that scripted honestly because it almost was like so satirical in a sense like they're all of their dynamics >> but it was just like an easy watch something nice to throw on you know it was like kind of comforting

We were like every night we'd come home we'd be like okay off campus you know but then eventually you're done and you're like okay we did just spend >> and then >> enormous amount of time watching that show. >> Yeah

Which couple did you prefer, >> Jojo? >> Um, >> like I don't even know the characters name were the main characters and then Ally and Dean were the blondhaired. >> I kind of liked Ali and Dean. >> Yeah, I kind of like >> cuz it was like >> I kind of liked Ali and Dean too. >> I didn't like Ally and Dean. >> Really? >> I liked Ali and Wait, was was Dean the blonde guy? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I he was hotter

Well, first of all, I also think that there should be some kind of like trigger warning because I feel like they did talk about there was >> in the beginning there was a trigger warning at the end of the episode of the episode that they talked about

There's a trigger warning cuz I watched that. >> I will say it was interesting cuz they were weaving in like deeper themes with their like lighthearted script. >> Yeah. >> Which was kind of interesting. >> Well, I thought about the same thing with the book

Did you read the book? >> No, I don't

It felt like very lighthearted, like something like a high schooler would read, like the writing style, and it just went into like a crazy left field, like very traumatic thing that happens to someone. >> And like even while watching it and reading it, it just felt like >> like you're talking about, this script was very lighthearted, especially between Hannah and Garrett, like the two main characters

And then it would just be like she would get these crazy flashbacks or like these crazy nightmares and I'd be like, >> "Well, there's nothing else dark in it besides obviously we'll get later into it when Garrett and um the dad have >> that." But I just also felt like the chemistry read between Hannah and Garrett in this TV show did not read the way that it did in the book

Like in the book you were like really rooting for them and you were like, "Oh, well maybe." But like also in the film, like what was the the side character that Hannah wanted? John

Johnny

J. >> Jay or something like wait >> Justin

Justin. >> Yeah. >> Yeah

It was like Justin in the book was like not really a main character and then in the film he was in like half the episodes and I was like wait what? But it's hard because they have to like adapt it in a way that people that haven't read the book are interested in it and like will because then also in the future they can do more spin-offs with it

So maybe that's what they're trying to do. >> I did think the conversation between >> what's the main girl's name? Hannah and her mom in the show. >> I don't know what it was in the book because I didn't read the book

But >> you mean the part where she's crying? where she's crying and she's crying to the mom and she's having like this distressing moment. >> I honestly felt like that was like so touching even though the rest of the show is not that evoking of emotion to me at least

And then in that moment I like >> we I mean we were watching it very relaxed like in the background

I mean I have no >> connection with the characters really at all

But in that I like took a second and we were I was like wow this is really emotional

And I think it's a really important way to >> how do I say this in like an appropriate manner to appeal that type of conversation of like acceptance to a younger generation in something that's not so intense >> all around in every episode in every moment you know because I think sometimes those conversations come up in very >> intense which makes you want to avoid >> films which makes you want to avoid them and also doesn't allow for that conversation to be >> yeah more relevant And in a younger I obviously that shouldn't be a conversation anybody should have to have but it is really important for people to have that motherly >> perspective of saying like to her I mean without spoiling what happens but >> really making her feel heard and seen and all this >> stuff

So I thought that that was honestly like >> kudos to that for that

It was kind of um it was kind of accurate at how like the how the girl was having the panic attacks, how Hannah was having the panic attacks

And I was like, "Okay, this is a nice perspective for people to watch and kind of understand what's going on in somebody's head when they're like having >> when they're having PTSD, you know what I mean? Like the the heart and then like thumping sounds and it was just really interesting

Also, just like the not being able to formulate for her like >> sentences, >> sentences and just like saying like the bike, it's the bike or whatever when she was having that moment

I thought that was really powerful also because sometimes you just don't know where the pain is coming from when that happens. >> It's like something so small that sets off like an entire different like >> thing

That's always been such a big thing for me

It's like I'm in the middle of just totally normal day and like one thing happens and then your day is completely ruined and you're freaking out about this like random thing but Like I think in a lot of ways with the film, they did hit the nose

Like for example, like that scene or even just like like this was not an accurate thing from the book adaptation, but the one episode where she was like, "Give me an orgasm so I can have my first orgasm." Like I felt like that also touched a lot of things that like maybe maybe none of us can really understand, but like I'm sure other people couldn't relate to

It's like you're almost nervous in a weird way. kind of made me was like a baby gay Olivia

But like when you know when you're like practicing with your friends to kiss them cuz you're like oh my gosh I'm going to kiss my first boy

But then like I look back at it and I practiced on way too many people, way too many girls. [laughter] >> You're just testing out the waters

That's okay. >> Yeah

Maybe I didn't need my first kiss as a boy

Like that would have >> But >> yeah, soft lips are nice. [laughter] >> Soft lips are nice than stubbly lips. >> That's her contribution

Soft lips are nice. >> [snorts] >> That's [laughter] what [gasps] >> Okay, so now what did you guys think? Have you read slashwatched Divergent? >> No, I've I've watched it. >> Okay, nice. >> I haven't read it either. >> I'm reading it right now for the first time and it's scarily scarily the exact same to the movie

Really? Like there has not been a single thing

But I'm granted I'm only on page like 80. >> I haven't read the films either

I mean I haven't watched the films either. >> You haven't watched my favorite movies

They're so good

Like I have like a weird like [snorts] I don't like this is a really hot take

Like I'm going to be like >> I don't like Twilight. >> Why am I waiting? >> Why? >> Explain

Alexa, go. >> I agree

It's just like a little too like too much fantasy

Like no one's talking to one another like that

You know what I mean? I just didn't feel any sort of like visual or emotional or like >> I've only ever gotten through like the first 20 minutes of every like movie. >> I think I got through 20 minutes. >> Yeah

And it's just like I don't know

There's something about it

I can't get into it. >> I just love it

The baseball scene, the fast running. >> It's very iconic and like it's a nice comfort movie, but if you are like really watching and like seeing it, I can understand how the dialogue can be a little offputting. >> But I also think it's kind of cringy. >> Yeah

Yeah

It's It's really cringy, but like I usually like cringy things

And like [laughter] >> I also think it's one of those things where if you didn't have the emotional attachment to it that you were supposed to have during that time, it's really hard to get into it now

Like as a 22-year-old like going back to watch it, like I'm like, "What on earth are you talking?" But I know that like my sister for example like loves to watch it again because to her it like brings her back to a time of watching it and having this association with it >> where it like feels >> and like every time I watch it I watch it like once a year. >> Yeah, me too. >> Every year >> it progressively gets cringier and like I noticed like there was an apple on the table there and then in the next shot the apple's gone. >> Yeah

You know what I mean? [clears throat and laughter] >> It feels like they like made it in their backyard

Like I know that's not what happened, but it feels like if you gave >> This is a really >> hot take, but this is like feels like if you gave like >> middle schoolers like a budget. >> Well, to be honest, like Robert Patterson always says in interviews like how embarrassed he is of the movie

Like I think everyone knows it's embarrassing and cringey, but again, it's just a comfort movie. >> And it was a cultural movement

Like that was a very >> like everyone lined up to go to the movie theaters to watch it

I also think that was like the fandom like that era was like so strong on like getting attached to these characters and having this whole world that like they were like uh I don't know what you call it for that type of thing but like I imagine that there was like a comic con type thing before Divergent or like these big events that were put on surrounding this world. >> So should we delete Divergent out of the list? >> Yeah, for me. >> Sorry

Wow, that was really long. >> Sure. >> What else do you guys want to delete? Off-c campus

Do you guys like off campus? >> Off campus. >> I think off campus has to go

Yeah, you can't put it next to Harry Potter

It's like it has to

And I think let's take off Twilight. >> Twilight. >> We're getting rid of Divergent. >> Yeah

I mean, since she hasn't watched it, that's [clears throat] >> Diver's amazing

Divergent amazing. >> We're going to watch Hunger Games, >> but it's not cringe

Like, it's not cringe at all. >> Not at all. >> You guys are all going to put Hunger Games over Harry Potter

Harry Potter has to be the stand

Hunger Games for sure

Hunger Games

I agree

Hunger Games

Hunger Games for sure. >> It's Harry Potter

Harry Potter

It's Hunger Games

No, no, no

That is the foundation of >> to be honest, >> imagination

Like it is Harry Potter

You were not putting Hunger Games >> with you on that, but like Hunger Games took that and beat it. >> Yeah. >> Hunger Games did not beat it

Hunger Games had not >> It's a completely different vibe. >> It's a completely different vibe

Not only, but like you cannot I mean, >> is it crazy to say I've only watched Harry Potter one and two? >> Have you read the books? >> No

Okay, guys

The talking stick

Do you see it? >> Talking stick

We give it to you. >> Can we please watch the Harry Potter movies, have some wine, and go to the Harry Potter world? It's my dream. >> Um, >> I can't believe you were Hunger Games over Harry Potter. >> Can we please do that? Universal sponsor. >> Can you read the books? >> I do

I do want to try to read the books because I read I watched the first five movies and I just couldn't get into it. >> Do you guys remember the Scholastic Book Fair? >> Yeah. >> No. when you would go and your parents would give you like a little bit of money and you would like go and like walk around the and it was like so lit and there was toys at the end and candy. >> Never gotten better than that. >> Oh my gosh

Pivotal moment

I got the 12 or 13

How many? I don't know

I don't >> see that many books just daunting for me

I can't. >> But it was like in a case somewhere >> and I remember I didn't want to It's like when you're little and you don't want to unpackage something

I remember I just like sat there the full case of the full collection and I was like obsessed with the fact that they were in pristine condition and then eventually I went through and read them

Genuinely I think that you should read them because I honestly like the books better than I like the movies

I'm a big Harry Potter person

They're the only thing I have downloaded on >> um Apple TV

So like when I'm like going on a flight that doesn't have movies, I'll like rewatch them over and over and >> similar to Busy Jackson. >> But yeah, >> it's the closest. >> I mean Harry Potter really like the books are fantastic. [snorts] Hunger Games wins titles. [laughter] Welcome back to Booked Fun and Busy

We're going to go into the third and final theme of the day, which is pride. >> Happy Pride. >> Happy Pride. >> Pride. >> So June is obviously >> happy. [laughter] >> K gay and happy. >> So June is obviously LGBTQIA plus month, not only in New York City, but in everywhere else around the world

Um, are you guys going to Pride? It's in June

It's on June 28th in New York City

Are you guys going? >> No. >> I think I'm going to be in London. >> I'm not here

I'm in London, too. >> No one's going. >> I might have to go visit my girlfriend cuz Happy Pride. >> So, am I going to go by myself? >> I might be here

I don't know

We'll see. >> Wow

I'm literally flying back. >> They might be back

We don't know

We don't know the future. >> I appreciate Pride, but it is really overwhelming. >> I will say that

There's a lot going on

The streets are so packed

Yeah. >> Also, the past 2 years in New York at least, it's always been raining

So, it's just been a little >> years it was sunny most of the time. >> Last year was amazing here. >> Last year it was raining

Last year it was raining

What are you talking about? >> Rain for a bit. >> I'm not talking about the weather, you guys

Also, I had an amazing time in the rain in the fountain. >> Are you going to go out and be an ally? >> I did go in the fountain. >> That's disgusting. >> You need to be tested. >> I've gone in the fountain before, but I was a freshman in college. >> I'm fine. >> What's your excuse? Yeah. >> Um I was having fun, >> right? Of course. >> At Pride. >> Yeah. >> Be who you are. >> So just like Pride. >> So if I'm here for Pride, we're all coming out. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Coming out literally. [laughter] >> I mean, if you have something to say, right now. >> All right

So, LGBTQIA books

You've read, Alaska, Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo. >> Olive, are we going to have [laughter] to go over this again? >> Alexa, my goodness

Um, you've read Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo

What did you think about it? >> I thought it was amazing

Me and Hannah actually read it during the honeymoon phase and it just like intensified [laughter] everything. >> We had a playlist and everything. >> We had a playlist like that

We >> had a playlist

It was like I cannot recommend it enough during the honeymoon phase

It was insane. >> But [laughter] um >> or at any phase of your life >> or any phase that Yeah

Sorry. >> How did you like the playlist that I made for the book? Do you think >> every song that I listened to and it was like a lot of like blood orange and like you know that sort of vibe

Can't even remember more songs on it

But like the Maras whatever. >> Um >> Red. >> No, it's too cringe. be more [laughter] in your lane. >> I love Girl in Red. >> I used to listen to it all, >> but not while you read

Like I have a specific playlist and like when whenever I was reading and I had the playlist on it, I it was turning into a movie, you know? >> It was just every single time that I was reading with the playlist, it was so vivid

And I feel like that's what got you into that book

Maybe every time I listen to it, like listen to those songs now, it reminds me of the book and like everything I felt with that book >> and just like our relationship and >> maybe we'll link it. >> Please do. >> No, it's kind of interesting. >> Is this the part where you kiss? >> Um, she's kind of far. [laughter] >> So, some of us here have some very deep roots to the LGBTQIA relationship

I mean, >> community. >> The community, right? So, do you have any advice or like what would you share to someone who is in like this process of potentially coming out? >> Experiment

And you don't have to put a label on it

It's okay

Not everyone needs a label

I think like if anything, other people want a label more than you for some reason. >> Um, you can >> just exper try your thing and if you don't like something, you don't like something

I would recommend trying something twice before you say you don't like it because I know that I've had a bad experience with a girl the first time and so has I think you've had experience too which made me think I was like actually asexual

I was like okay no for guys, no for girls and now what? >> And then I tried girls one more time and I was like okay this is for me and I think >> you don't have to force it

I think like a lot of us like think something and then you force it

You don't have to force it and you don't have to put yourself in a box

Yeah. >> And I think for some people it's more obvious than others that they're gay

Like for me, like I didn't really know until like quarantine and I was seeing all those Tik Toks

Right

Right. >> Gay Tik Tok 2020. >> What a time. >> I unfortunately wasn't on gay Tik Tok and I wish I did cuz I love to just come out sooner and just be myself sooner. >> But you had the signs growing up like she was wearing tell us what you were wearing and what you had on your wall

Like my my my room was like an Xbox, a basketball hoop, a couple penny [laughter] boards on the >> penny

In every color, um some soccer balls, some trophies, you know, >> whatever

You guys, you guys get >> like for her it was obvious

Like for me, like I didn't really know

And also like it's kind of hard when you're not dressing like a tomboy from the age of four, you know what I mean? >> But yeah, just don't press it

Also, side note, if you don't feel safe coming out in your situation, don't do it until you're moved out and you're safe. >> I don't think you have to come out if your family is homophobic or if you feel like the people around you aren't going to accept you

Um, tell a friend that you trust, but don't feel forced to come out if you don't think it's going to be a safe situation for you

Side note. >> Period. [laughter] >> Anyways, how was coming out for you? >> Yeah

How was it? >> Like so awkward. >> But why? Why was that awkward? >> Well, like look at me. >> What do you mean? >> Like, [laughter] >> oh my god. >> Like, do you feel like people didn't believe you or something? >> Like, no

And my friends were the friends like when I came out to them, they were like, well, do you think I'm hot? >> I was like, no. >> Oh my god

Like, ew

That's like it was so infuriating to me

Like I had this one girl specifically who I'm no longer friends with because of this

Like I had been dating somebody I've been dating a female for quite some time and she flew from somewhere to come and visit me because we had been friends prior and when she got there like I wasn't out to like >> everyone yet

Like I was out just to my very close friends and everyone knew I was dating this girl >> and she came and visited me and I was like oh yeah like by the way like you'll probably meet my girlfriend this week

Like she's going to probably sleep over tonight or something like that

And she started like asking these questions

She's like, "Well, do you think I'm hot like in a gay way?" And I was like, "No, if I thought you were hot in a gay way, you would not be that's your biggest fear when you're coming out is like your straight friend friends thinking you have a crush on them." >> Yeah

And I had so many so many of my straight friends like thought I had a crush on them and I was like >> like this isn't about you. >> Yeah

Like relax. >> So that was like a really weird experience

Like coming out to my mom was a really weird experience

I just kind of like called her on the phone and was just like I'm gay. day of dating this girl

Like gave her like 30 facts about the girl and then hung up. >> And then >> I never came out to my dad

I just sent him a shirt that said in my daughter's gay and like let him [laughter] put the two kind of iconic. >> Yeah

And then my sister my sister was supportive

Like my hometown friends weren't really supportive. >> Mhm

It's hard in Florida as well. >> I lost a lot of them. >> Yeah. >> But they just like like when I came out, they just like sent it in my group chat and was like, "What the is this?" And I was like >> that's like a rude worst thing that could happen

Like in a rude way

Yeah

So, I actually like didn't answer >> and I never really answered the group chat again. >> But anyways, the point is to just be gay, be happy, be whatever you want to be, >> and be safe. >> Yeah, be safe about it

And >> happy pride. >> Happy Pride, babe. >> Happy Pride. >> Okay, well, that was it for this week's episode

Thank you so much to all of you beautiful angels for watching me and my friends talk

I know it was a long one

I'm sorry, but we could actually talk for like 5 hours straight

Um, it was so much fun

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So, thanks

Love you guys

So much fun. >> Maybe next time we'll all read a book and come back. >> Yeah. [laughter] And we'll come back together

Like double tap share

You know, the whole shebang. >> I'll let you know the book of the next month

It will be revealing very soon

So, I'll talk to you guys later

Bye. >> [music]